GPSR
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Good morning everyone.
I have a Premium Store and I sell model kits and collectibles, but more than 90€ of the items are model kits.
After checking the categories of goods exempt from the GPSR, I still haven't been able to understand whether I am subject to this regulation or not, since I only and exclusively deal in used items, also because the support provided by eBay is practically nonexistent: they do nothing but direct you to the rules and tell you to read them again and check the categories again, which I have already done about ten times.
To understand whether I will actually be subject to the GPSR regulation, I found this excerpt from eBay's rules that I am sharing with you.
Here it is below:
What happens if I sell second-hand items and do not have information on the product manufacturer?
collectio_70
·11 months agoThe EU is a ragtag bunch of psychopaths who enjoy driving the sheep-like masses crazy.
aumaldo
·1 year agoI also read that this regulation applies to products offered both online and offline. So if, at my place, I wanted to give a friend some objects I bought 50 years ago, I’d have to prove their historical value...
aumaldo
·1 year ago(18)
Antique objects, such as works of art or collectibles, are specific categories of products that cannot be considered to comply with the safety requirements established by this regulation and should therefore be excluded from its scope of application. However, in order to avoid other products being mistakenly considered to belong to these categories, it is necessary to take into account the fact that works of art are products created exclusively for artistic purposes, that collectibles have a rarity and historical or scientific interest sufficient to justify their collection and preservation, and that antique objects, if they are not already a work of art or a collectible or both, are extraordinarily old. When assessing whether a product is an antique object, such as a work of art or a collectible, account could be taken of Annex IX to Council Directive 2006/112/EC (13).
Collectibles, in order to be excluded, should have rarity and historical interest... Someone will have to determine, item by item, which ones possess these requirements.,,
gioeco
·1 year agohonestly it’s not very clear. I’m confused too. I sell single Magic cards, toys, Lego etc through my online store (professional seller). changing all the listings one by one is crazy, but figuring out what to do and how to do it is not clear either. for some products, you can’t understand anything
cartashopping
·1 year agoThanks for your answer, but how am I supposed to find the person responsible for security (what security, anyway?) for a postcard printed 40 years ago or for a 50-year-old book whose publisher may have been closed for a long time?
What are the items compliant with the EC directive, which, if I'm not mistaken, is from 1995? In practice there is a gap between 1924 and 1995. ONE MORE REASON TO HATE THE EUROPEAN UNION AND ITS BUREAUCRATS!
aumaldo
·1 year agoI seem to have read that antique items are excluded from this regulation.
marioelegio
·1 year agoThis is Annex IX that explains what is meant by antiques, so which items are excluded from the application of the GPSR.
hi
mario
aumaldo
·1 year agoOk, thanks. So, with the GPSR coming into force, these 2006 definitions remain in force...
cartashopping
·1 year agoHello! And for those who sell used books, magazines, records, postcards, comics etc.? (All stuff from last century)
marioelegio
·1 year agoOnly items over 100 years old or those listed in annex 9 of 112/2006 are excluded from the directive (so paintings, artistic ceramics, sculptures, photos, stamps, etc…).
Items compliant with the EC directive are also excluded.
hi
mario
themycia
·1 year agoNote that there’s a contradiction in the explanation of the article: first it says you are not required to provide info for used products placed on the market before 13 December 2024 - then it goes on to say that you are not exempt from complying with the GPSR for products placed on the market before 13 December 2024 - the situation is absurd for those who sell used and vintage items - moreover, there isn’t any tutorial that even helps with registering this data, you only find pages in foreign languages and videos where people read these regulations word for word without explaining at the end what we all want to know - where to register and how to register PUNTO - even here in the forums only useless replies ..... even accountants don’t know how to do this thing and what the regulation is really like for certain areas
themycia
·1 year agothey seem like the driving license test questions with trick questions that, however, don’t have any final solution
vonbalden
·1 year agoYou have to think about it this way. I’m a model kits seller, obviously I deal with enthusiasts and collectors of static modeling or not. If I come to you and ask for a model kit that reproduces the Italian medium bomber Savoia Marchetti SM79 by Trumpeter, you not only have to know everything about the kit in question, but without a doubt you’ll also know how the load-bearing skin of the real aircraft was arranged, its dimensions, which parts were made of wood, the type of radial engines fitted and their power output, in short, not everything, more than everything. And since sellers in the sector and buyers also know the number of screws in the originals and the kits, you are GPSR-proof. Not only that. You are what every buyer expects an expert seller of what they are selling to be. Did I make myself clear? A collector’s greeting.
marioelegio
·1 year agoYou are not required to provide info for used products placed on the market before 13 December 2024 only if they comply with EU Directive 2001/95 (CE marking).
.....according to Article 51 of the GPSR, products first supplied to the EU market before 13 December 2024 and compliant with the General Product Safety Directive (2001/95/EC), may continue to be sold without adding the information required by the GPSR to the listings. This also applies if the manufacturer has ceased trading.
What they are inviting you to do is to include anyway all the information you have on the form (even if you would be exempt).
hi
mario
spazio-collezioni
OP1 year agoGood evening Mario, and first of all thank you very much for your availability and dedication. I have to say that you managed to respond in a concise and thorough way, better than an accountant or a lawyer.
From what I understand from what you reported, I would be exempt from this regulation, correct me if I’m wrong.
However, one last doubt comes to mind regarding the first sentence of your message: You are not required to provide info for used products placed on the market before 13 December 2024 ONLY IF they comply with EU Directive 2001/95 (CE marking).
It’s that ONLY IF they comply with EU Directive 2001/95 (CE marking) that leaves me doubtful. Just to be clear, I sell products that also predate this regulation (the 60s-70s) and therefore do not bear the CE mark. To give one example, I sell model kits from companies that shut down many years ago (e.g.: Solido). How should one behave in these cases?
Can you help me? Thanks again in advance
marioelegio
·1 year agoI simply quoted Article 51 of the regulation.
For objects that are more than 100 years old, exemption is provided under Art. 2, paragraph 2, point i (items included in Annex IX).
For CE items after 2001, there is an exemption under Art. 51
The real problem is exactly what you describe, objects between 1925 and 2000, since (Art.2 paragraph 3).... the regulation applies to products placed or made available on the market, whether new, used, repaired or reconditioned. It does not apply to products to be repaired or reconditioned before use, placed or made available on the market and clearly marked as such, ..... there would be the loophole of selling them as not working.
I’m sending you the link to the full text ..... https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/IT/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A32023R0988
Here you can find Annex IX with the exemptions for antiques and antiquities ..... https://def.giustiziatributaria.gov.it/DocTribFrontend/getContent.do?id={A433907A-D885-4C28-B759-6DEC7DB6404C}
bye
mario
marioelegio
·1 year agoThe part you extracted refers to Art. 51 of the directive and therefore to used goods with the CE mark.
If your items have this mark, you don't need anything else.
hi
mario