Impulsive purchase? Or fraudulent sale!?
I bought a Bosch GTS 10 XC table saw in April from a German dealer. Unfortunately, I used the machine in early July, only to realize that the voltage was 110v 50hz and not 220v. Obviously, the seller downplayed it, especially since he was sure that, alas, the return period had already passed. Of course, the voltage was not specified on the documents and, as we all know, in Europe only 220v is used. To date, E-Bay has only limited itself to acting as a postal link with the seller, who has not been able to solve the problem, even though he was willing to pay "reasonably" something just to make this saw work. To date, complete silence. I realize that the "old" hardware store costs more... but with people who advise you and help you, it remains the best option and in the end.... cheaper. Aldo Trevisan
heavenwelkin
·2 years agoTo give you an idea of the price of a 220 / 110 volt converter (as deejaynick wisely suggested), roughly expect these prices here:
altrev_64
OP2 years agothanks for the suggestion.
it seems that I can still return the table saw.
I had looked into a suitable transformer, but I was asked for €520
as for the converter, I had asked the "seller"....to sell it to me himself and to guarantee that I wouldn't have any power loss or other issues. But no one gave me any certainty. honestly, aside from using an adequate power rating like 3/4 KVA, I don't feel confident either that the saw will work regularly and continuously even under load. I wouldn't want to add mistakes on top of mistakes...
thanks again.
Aldo
heavenwelkin
·2 years agoGood morning Aldo
That said, a robust and reliable 220v / 110v converter rated at 4000w must be made up of a toroidal power supply, which is very heavy (we're talking about 40 kg).
The fact that they quoted you 520 euros is perhaps the price for a traditional power supply (the square / rectangular ones, so to speak) which are fine anyway.
Because the price of a 4000w toroidal power supply (just the power supply) should be decidedly more expensive.
As for power loss, you have to consider that you could also get a smaller 2000w power supply, maybe one that reaches 3000w peak, but it depends on how many minutes this power tool has to be used for.
The 3000w motor of your electric saw doesn't actually draw 3000w when you switch it on unloaded; those are the consumption levels under load at the most demanding cut you can make.
If you need to cut a metal pipe and/or a series of iron rods, you can also get a 1500 ~ 2000w converter, and you won't have any problems as long as you don't do DEMANDING AND CONTINUOUS jobs.
Because a 2000w power supply, if used for a long time, heats up and if it reaches excessively high temperatures it breaks down.
You can simply avoid these issues by stopping and letting the power supply cool down before starting work again.
Power supplies in China cost little compared to those made in Europe, the only thing is the shipping cost, which is very high.
In conclusion, spending 520 euros for a 220/110 volt converter is a lot compared to the cost of the item.
But if you had a high-quality HI-FI system, the price was certainly justified.
Best regards.
deejaynick
·2 years agoAside from the fact that the voltage in the EU “was” 220V, now (for quite a while...) it is 230V...
In any case, by law it has to be on the nameplate (all of them, even the UL-CSA ones which are much stricter than CE...) voltage, frequency, and power consumption (or current).
That should have been in the description (since it seems to me that the seller in question is very meticulous in his listings).
Being an electric chainsaw, you’d have to replace the motor and the interlocked switch to use it... very uneconomical!
If you can’t get it returned (I shouldn’t tell you this given the reckless purchase you made, but you still have the PayPal “card” if you know how to play it...) you could go for a nice 230V to 110V transformer, but you need one rated at least 3KW, that is about 4KVA (since the saw is over 2KW)... but it costs quite a bit...
altrev_64
OP2 years agothanks for the suggestions,
the voltage is written so small that it's almost unreadable. it wasn't indicated on the documents and the fact that it's just called GTS 10 XC..did the rest. There are several models but all at 220/400v and only one at 110v. Receiving a power tool from Germany and not from China, got me "stuck". then I lost time preparing a support bench etc. and I went past the return deadline. Luckily the seller accepted the return and confirmed the mistake. I hope it all goes well.
thanks
aldo
sika700
·2 years agoBought in April... use it in July... and ask for advice in September...
I’d say that was a rash purchase... you could have seen the voltage as soon as you got it... if the voltage isn’t listed in the description, the fact that you think you’re in Europe means nothing...
Kind regards.
altrev_64
OP2 years agothanks anyway.
the voltage is written so small that I hadn't noticed it. it isn't indicated on the documents. I noticed it by opening the lower cover and on the motor it says 110v in big letters. unfortunately I spent quite a bit of time preparing a wonderful aluminum support, etc. without imagining such a mistake.
Aldo