Vi allego la corrispondenza con la NGC che ho avuto, per farvi capire l'atteggiamento della "company", in casi come questi, quale è... alla faccia di chi vuole andare alla origine del problema ]:)
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I am a little surprise. Why didn't you suggest me this solution the first time that I wrote to you?? Every your answer denotes scarce desire to cooperate and to get to the bottom of the problem. Second one I think that you underestimate the intelligence of the others... such as Chinese or everyone that consult your data base and mint/make copies of rare coins with your holder. I had some suspects just before to have in my hand the holder, basing on simple evident facts (kind of seller, way of selling, similarity between rare sold coins in so short time) as I reported to you. But where you live? I can't believe that you don't arrive at the same conclusion. Finally I understand that you (your company) haven't any interest to resolve this problem. Regards.
Jan 11, 2012 11:48:03 AM, mspiegel@ngccoin.com wrote:
Dr. Ciferri,
As you can see below, I never made any statement as to whether the coin was genuine or not. I simply said that the description of the coin matches our database. Had you felt concerned about the authenticity, you should have sent us the coin, in the NGC holder, to properly authenticate. I refer you to NGC’s Guarantee: http://www.ngccoin.com/services/writtenguarantee.asp
Max Spiegel
From: enrico ciferri
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:25 AM
To: Max Spiegel
Subject: Re: RE: RE: similarity
Mr Spiegel,
I appreciate your answer, BUT is the same that the seller has written in his auction, OBVIOUSLY.
For this reason I had contacted you before receiving the holder with the coin and, in second time, after your convinced answer, have sent the intact holder to the most important official Italian appraisal as a legally third part with the order to open the slub. He had taken some pictures of the different steps. This is the ONLY way to establish if the coin is authentic. You certanly know how many false NGC and PSGC holder have been put recently on the market. It's sufficient to read on line the multiple articles about this argument.
I thought to give you the rare opportunity to investigate directly one case to solve this problem.
In any case I'll inform all members of ebay in Italy and in US about this story, also about our emails, to prevent new cases, but this surely don't go in the direction of a your benefict and professionalism.
Personally I think that in this way your company will not arrive at the end of this story and subsequently will loss of credibility.
Best regards.
Dr. Enrico Ciferri
Jan 11, 2012 10:26:37 AM, mspiegel@ngccoin.com wrote:
Dr. Ciferri,
There isn’t much I can do for you once the coin has been removed from the NGC holder. If the coin was fake and in a legitimate NGC holder, we would pay the fair market value for the coin as part of our guarantee. If the holder is counterfeit I would certainly want to investigate that and take appropriate legal action. However, when the coin is removed from the NGC holder there is no way we can be certain that it was certified by NGC.
Best,
Max Spiegel
From: enrico ciferri
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:18 AM
To: Max Spiegel
Subject: Re: RE: similarity
Importance: High
Dear Mr. Spiegel,
I wrote to you more one month ago advancing some suspects on a your coin, that you find described below. After 1 month the coin arrived in Italy and I consigned it to one of the most important Italian official coin appraisal (dr. Emilio Tevere) that has opened the slub to study the coin in object.
First of all it mesures 18,85 mm of diameter and NOT 19,5 mm. Second one it is a fake (a gold fake).
As I wrote to you the (Chinese?) seller from California is probably a fake-seller, because he has sold 3 similar coins, with this, in a short period of time.
I remain at disposition for further actions that you, as NCG company, want to dispose.
I have an official signed appraisal in hand.
Best regards.
Dr. Enrico Ciferri
Nov 28, 2011 10:27:00 AM, mspiegel@ngccoin.com wrote:
Dr. Ciferri,
Thank you for the question. NGC cert numbers are based around the invoice numbers with the final three digits being the coin’s number on the invoice. For this group of coins, 357031 is a submission of a number of 1863T 10 Lire. Three different sizes were struck of the 1863T 10 Lire: 18.5mm, 19mm, and 19.5mm. These are all of the 19.5mm variety, so it is not usual that they have the same description on the label.
There is nothing suspicious about what you describe.
Regards,
Max Spiegel
From: enrico ciferri
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 4:29 PM
To: NGC Consumer Awareness Group
Subject: similarity
Importance: High
Hi,
I have bought from an ebay seller from California a gold coin: 10 Lire 1863 T Vittorio Emanuele III, verified from you with a box reporting serial number 357031-043. The same seller had sold 1 month and 2 month before 2 similar gold coins, always with your box reporting the first the serial number 357031-083 and the second 357031-042.
According your appraisal all coins result to have a diameter of 19,5 mm . Isn't a little strange? This is a very rare coin (R3). Are they a Chinese clonation?
Please, let me know, I am interested in a your opinion.
Best regards.
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